ON THE BLOG, Respond in detailed complete sentences your thought on the article.
Do you agree or disagree with Beverly Daniel Tatum?
Take a look at the OHS commons during lunch. Where do people sit?
Why do they sit where they do?
Are there isolated kids -- those who seem to have "no table" and how are they treated by other students?
Do yo think her article applies to Orange High School?
How does the seating pattern in our commons relate to our identity?
Make sure you write this in 4-6 sentences and make sure to reply to your classmates' posts.
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63 comments:
I do agree with Beverly Daniel Tatum. People going through things similar to you are able to relate and comfort you more. It's the same reason as why social groupings (not involving race) may dress or act alike. They understand each other or want to fit in and with skin type it isn't as easy as changing your shirt. There is no way to easily get around it and if you feel that you are being looked at differently because of your skin type the normal reaction would be to find others who look like you and try to be around them. Another reason I think people of the same race sit together is because they don't need to censor themselves as much around people who are like them. White people can say words like "they" or even mention something as simple as how they love chicken without being commented on. The same goes for African American's, they are able to call each other what they want and act in a more relaxed manner rather than living up to the supposed "high-class mannerisms" of the white race.
I agree with Tatum when he describes his feelings about race and how it affects where students sit in the cafeteria. They sit together because it gives them comfort knowing they have something in common with each other. People are more at ease with their own race because different races have their own customs and way of expressing themselves. Kids who are isolated from everyone are usually treated as aliens, or so unlike everyone else that people don't try to get to know them. This article applies to OHS because there are different groups situated in the cafeteria and these groups are the same each day. People don't see a reason to change them because they are so used to the same mannerism. The seating pattern relates to our identity because we sit with people who we are comfortable with and have something in common. From this, we have a greater understanding of who we are as people and what we like in a person. I agree with Sasha when they said we have to sensor ourselves when we are around people who are of a different race. It is very easy to offend someone by accident depending on the person's sensitivity to a certain subject or name which labels them in a certain class.
I agree with Beverly Tatum because it makes sense that people are free to act the most "themselves" or the most at ease when they feel free from judgements or stereotypes from people who act, think or live differently. At OHS people do tend to sit by race, however these table arrangements stay true to groups of friends that have been close for a long time. This makes me think that kids, even at a young age such as Kindergarten, gravitate toward people who are most like themselves from a comfort standpoint. Some people are isolated because of differences but not usually differences of race. Rather, these kids are isolated because of social differences and naive stereotypes that their classmates have been making about them without getting to know them. The seating pattern in our commons relate to our identity because your friends choices and behavior can tell a lot about the choices or behaviors that you choose. I agree with Sasha when he says that people feel like they need to censor their behavior when not around their friends or people of a familiar race. This can also explain why people gravitate to people they are comfortable with.
I agree with Tatum about how she describes her thoughts on racism and how it can affect social grouping and who you sit with in the cafeteria. It's much easier getting along with someone when they can relate to how the person is being treated. Also when you're younger, you don't know anything about racism and make friends because of who they are. That's how most of us made friends. Since Orange is a very racially diverse school, there's not much racism going on. People sit with their friends who are in their social groups. Usually the kids that are isolated are ones not in the certain social group and people in that group don't bother getting to know them because they're not in their group. I think her article applies to OHS because we have a lot of different social groups. Some intermingle with another but not everyone is friends with everybody and there are people who don't bother being friends with someone because who who the person hangs out with. I agree with Sasha and Turquoise about how people have to sensor to sensor themselves when around people of a different race. A white person can't just openly say the N word to a black person without facing some consequence.
I agree with Tatum about why people of the same racial or ethnic groups often stick together. It makes people feel the most comfortable when they fit in with the people they spend their time with. I think this theme does show up at Orange. Though I personally sit at a table that's about half black, half white, I see many tables that are all black or all white. There are some isolated kids who either sit alone or wander around looking for someone to sit with. I think they are usually accepted to sit at another table, though probably left out of the conversation. I agree with Sasha that people like to sit with people of their own race because they feel they can say whatever is on their mind freely.
I understand where Tatum is coming from, it makes sense. We as human beings like to feel comfortable and for some they're comfortable with the people from their own race. I don't think that Orange is totally like this but I have noticed some people only sitting with people of their own race. I don't think that it is anything like pressure really, I think that its just their friends, and they just happen to be of the same race. I also know what its like to have "no table". But for some people, like myself, its more of a choice then me not having anywhere to sit. I understand that some people feel left out though when they don't know people in lunch or classes. I think that there are groups of people in the commons that are just friends and don't feel obligated to sit there because of their race.
I agree with Tatum when she says that people of the same race stick together because it makes people feel more comfortable. I think that this does occur in OHS because when I look around in the lunch room, I see many of the asians sitting together along with many of the African-Americans sitting with each other. I think that almost all of the students at OHS have a "table" and I feel that almost everybody is treated the same. I agree with Fausto in saying people can sit wherever they want to but they choose to stick with their own race.
I agree with Beverly Tatum when she describes why the black kids sit together in the cafeteria because of racism and how it affects who you interact with. I can understand her when she mentions how it's easier to relate to people of your same "kind" and ethnicity. Especially in today's world, kids can find it easier to talk to someone who might be dealing with the same problems as them. When taking a look at OHS, our cafeteria is racially separated. Most of the tables are all white kids and then all black kids at different tables. I think this is because these kids have also grown up around each other or in similar environments. I don't seem to see any isolated kids in our cafeteria. Everyone seems to sit with someone, and if they're sitting alone a table will invite them to come sit with them. I think her article does apply to OHS because situations and scenarios she described I see everyday in our commons. The seating pattern in our commons relates to our identity because it shows that whoever you choose to associate yourself with represents who you are.
I agree with Beverly Tatum. Agreeing with Snowflake, lunch time conversations can maybe be more relatable since the entire race is feeling the same oppression. I think people at our school sometimes sit strictly by their race, but there are also tables that are mixed and diverse. I think the majority of where people sit depends on who they are friends with AND who they are involved with constantly at school. I notice that most of the football players sit together, or the athletes in general tend to sit together during lunch. There are also the isolated kids. I don't think they are negatively treated by the other students, but I also don't think they are fairly treated. A couple of times I have invited kids sitting alone to sit at my table because I feel bad that they have to spend 30 minutes by themselves. Most of the time my friends are inviting, but once, my guy friend was mad at me for including someone new into our table because he found it "awkward and unnecessary." Because of this, I can see how these isolated students can sometimes be given a negative view by my peers. As said, the article applies to Orange High School. I think everyone is currently still trying to find their identity, and right now, our identities lie with those that are similar to us in our appearance and in our passions. For example, athletes sitting together because they share the love of a game or intelligent kids sitting together so they can work on homework and help each other.
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I agree with what Tatum said in her book about why people of the same race sit with one another, they do it because they feel more suitable and comfortable around the people of the same ethnic group rather then sitting with someone of a different ethnic group and feeling like an outsider. I agree with what "northface" said when he/she said "I can understand her when she mentions how it's easier to relate to people of your same "kind" and ethnicity", because the simple fact that when your around people of the same race you feel more wanted and feel as if you fit in rather then sitting with a bunch of people that's not the same race and can't relate too. This relates to OHS because majority of white people sit with other white people and majority of black people sit with other black people then you have very few tables that's diverse.
I do agree with Beverly. Even in our very own school i've noticed the exact same segregation occur. As people become older and start to do things like date and begin to have co gender parties it becomes apparent that these events are less and less diverse. At orange many of the tables are segregated. In the past they used to be seperated mostly by gender but as we've gotten older there has been more of a mix between male and female. Although, as this mix began to grow the seperation of blacks and whites began to grow as well. I agree with Fausto in that they might choose to be seperated because they are more comfortable around people they appear more similiar too, just like Beverly mentioned. There are some students that seem isolated, but I dont think its because it's of race or gender. It seems to be just that they have a difficulty interacting with the rest of the students. Yes, her article definitely applies at our school. There are some tables that are diverse, but for the most part they are very segregated. The seating in the commons is directly related to our identity in that the way we see ourselves helps us to choose the people we want to be surrounded by.
I agree with the excerpt from Beverly Daniel Tatum's book. It is the most comfortable thing for people to sit with people that are similar to them. I think that Orange might be an example of a school where the lunch tables are all not necessarily based on race. Yes, there are tables of all black people some of all white people, but like snowflake said I agree that People sit with their friends who are in their social groups. There are definitely isolated kids at Orange who seem to sit at either the smaller tables on the sides or go to the media center instead of coming to lunch. I think that the majority of our school does not go out of their way to bully this kids but that cannot be true for 100% of the kids in the school. The article does relate greatly to Orange, but I would say that the seating pattern at Orange represents more of peoples social groups or cliques then it does their race. Although, within these social cliques, some of them are primarily all black and some are primarily all white.
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Tatum is definitely correct in the idea that people who are like you will be more likely to understand your problems and you will naturally gravitate towards them. The problem is, this racial grouping is becoming a type of supported racism. Even if someone is friends with a person at an all black table and they are white, they will not try to sit at that table because they feel like they are encroaching on an established group. At OHS it is clear that racial grouping is occurring not only at lunch but throughout the school as well. I cannot tell you how many times I leave my locker and see a group of white blonde girls or jock boys all standing together. While this isn't racial grouping, it is very similar because people are only talking to people like them. The isolated people with no lunch table seem to have no true group of friends at all, and seem to have become introverted only because they do not have a set group of people to talk to. While it is appalling to say that we feel like we are "outsiders" when we are with a different group, "MJ 4/5" is right. At some time every person has felt like an outsider based on grouping whether it is by race, looks, gender, or interests. I will admit that I have, and it is our job now to try to correct this problem.
I agree with Beverly Daniel Tatum on the aspect of why different people of different races are segregated at lunch. The people gravitate towards others that understand what they're going through and can relate to one another because it makes them feel more comfortable. For example, when the teacher told the 8th grade girl "I know you people like to dance", this made her feel extremely uncomfortable. She tried talking to her friend of a different race, but her friend didn't understand the extremes of the situation. In the OHS commons, it is segregated if you look around. I think people sit where they do because, again, they feel more comfortable around the people that are similar to them. There aren't many isolated kids that have "no table" if you look around. I do agree with Hello on the fact that people in the halls are only gossiping with people similar to them, and everyone is very cliquey in that way.
I do agree with Tatum in what she said about race being a factor of why people sit together at lunch but I do not think that it is always the case. I agree with Jessica when she says that many people who share the same passions sit together at lunch. For example, football players sit with football players and etc. However, I do think that race does have some affect on where people sit because many people do judge people on how they look. However, I do think that Orange has more mixed and diverse tables than not. There are isolated kids however. I do not believe that they are treated bad, but maybe they are just not given a chance. I do not think that her article applies to Orange High School. Our seating pattern in our commons relates to our identity because we like to sit with people that have similar interests like sports and other activities that we do outside of school.
I agree with Beverly Daniel Tatum. However, I feel like it is hard to change racial grouping because we would have to change the way society thinks. We can’t just blame that teacher who says that black people can dance better. We have to blame the society she grew up in that made her have those views. In OHS people sit with who they have known the people who they feel comfortable around. There are isolated kids who have no table. Sometimes I see some student sitting with them other times people ignore these kids. I agree with Betsy that Orange has primarily social cliques. The article does apply to our school because we tend to group based on color as well as cliques. The seating pattern in the commons shows us who we feel comfortable with and that our friends are probably a lot like ourselves if we spend the majority of our time around them.
I do agree with Tatum. She brings up many good points that I have never thought about before. I have never really noticed it before, but I do believe this idea of "Self-Segragation" applies to the OHS Commons somewhat, but I also agree with how Jessica said that students also group themselves by their interests. There are isolated kids in the cafeteria as well, but I don't believe that they are treated wrong. They just might not have a friend in that lunch period. I believe that this article does apply to OHS, because some characteristics mentioned in the article are definitely prevalent throughout our school.
I agree with Tatum that people do tend to segregate themselves in schools that are integrated (mostly those in the suburbs)for the sole purpose of having someone to be able to relate to. The girl in the article that wasn't able to get sympathy from her white friend would most likely learn from that and in future circumstances that present similar situations, she would turn to a person of color to console her. I do think that the "grouping by race" goes on at OHS. But it isn't only the urge to surround oneself with people one can relate to that triggers this. Other factors are involved in causing students to choose to mainly sit with their race during lunch. I agree with Tyler that some of these other factors include students sharing a common thread in certain interests and hobbies.
I agree with Tatum. People do tend to segregate themselves. Although kids of a given race may sit together, there's also a lot of segregation. These people try to find something in common with others, and race is a big thing. People move closer to those who make them feel comfortable, which in this case are others who are similar. At OHS, a lot of kids who tend to be the same race, but there are also a lot of tables with multiple races. There may be some isolated kids, but they'll be accepted in a lot of other lunch tables. I don't see these isolated kids treated any differently by others. I don't think the article applies to OHS, though. Black kids aren't only friends with other black kids, white kids aren't only friends with whites. The friend group in OHS is accepting, no matter what race you may be. I just think, like I said before, that people try to find similarities among each other.
I agree with Beverly Tatum. People who are members of certain groups are more able to relate to each other when it comes to the problems that these groups face. It makes sense that they’d sit together. However, I also agree with Jessica; the lunch tables tend to be grouped by interest rather than by race (though race is a factor). Many OHS students have been in the district for a long time & the cliques are well established now; by this point the segregation has less to do with race than it has to do with past experiences & reputation. Sourpatchkid11 brings up a good point when they say that this trend could mean that we may subconsciously hang out with people who are similar to us at a much younger age. There are kids who have no real lunch table, but I don't think that they're treated poorly. People just seem to ignore them because, like I said before, groups have already been well-established and adding people in is kind of awkward. I think that the article applies to OHS because there is still a lot of self-segregation. The seating pattern relates to our identities, because we sit with our friends, and you can tell a lot about a person by who they choose to associate with.
Yes, I do agree with Tatum with her ideas about segregation, adolescence, and how people who are the same race tend to sit together because they can relate to one another. At OHS in my opinion there is segregation in the cafeteria. I think kids sit where they do because as Tatum said in her book, they feel as though they can relate to one another more than anyone else of a different race. But I also think that it's not only based on race. I agree with Jessica when she said that people sit with others who share similar interest., because I see this as well in OHS. There are kids who have no table to sit at in the cafeteria, I think sometimes people can be mean to them or uninvitng because they don't really know them that well. So, sometimes there could be some negativity in the way of which people with no table are treated. Overall I do think that Tatum's article relates to OHS. This article relates to our identity because I think it does show how people are more comfortable with people who share similar interest and who can relate to us
I do agree with Beverly Daniel Tatum. I mostly agree with the fact that when black children enter adolescence they begin to identify themselves. By asking questions such as "Who am I ethnically? and What does it mean to be black?". This is the turing point in there lifes. I think most of the kids in our school sit where they do not only based on race but also where they feel most comfortable and fit in. Personally I never really see any isolated kids seating by themselves, and if that was the case someone would seat with them im sure of. Lastly I agree with Snowflake on the fact that white people cant openly say the N word and certain things always have to be sensored around your black friends, but theres always those group of black friends that dont care who says the N word.
I definitely agree with many of the points that Tatum makes. She does a good job of analyzing why some things are the way they are. It's true that as young children, we do not think about our race or ethnic background. However, as we grow up, things change and we begin to affiliate with our own race much more. It also makes sense that it's easier for people of the same race to be able to understand and relate to each other versus those of another ethnic background. I definitely see racial segregation in the commons and at Orange in general. I think sometimes it can be kind of subconscious, but it's still there. I agree with Betsy in that Orange is extremely cliquey and that has a large impact on who we sit with at lunch. Also, I can only partially agree with Scruffy. It's true that many people at Orange are accepting, and that there are plenty of white kids with black friends and vice versa. However, I also think that there is some negativity coming from both races, whether we admit it or not.
I concur with Beverly Daniel Tatum for simple reasons. First, when I report to lunch everyday there is always one group of black kids that sit alone in the senior and another group that sit in the middle of the cafeteria. I believe that it is wrong that nobody makes an effort to try to invite them in conversations, and avoid them because they seem uneducated. My opinion is that not matter what grades you get or the color of your skin, there is still a good heart in everybody. Second, I believe that some kids are avoiding the blacks kids based on " popularity status." There is no such thing as popularity status, it's just an inanimate term for stuck up people who want to make themselves look good. Instead of caring about yourself, the so called " popular kids" show branch out of their clique and show some kindness to the alienated group of African Americans.
I do agree with a few of the main points Beverly Tatum addresses in her article. First, the fact that at a certain stage a kid begins questioning their identity and who they are. This may include identifying themselves with their ethnicity and even the different interests they may have. A lot of the time for African American kids, they base who they are off of society's perception of them. Something like this can cause them to feel like a misfit as well as stressed because they don't know exactly where they belong. As a result they seek the friendship of others who are of their same race to serve as a support system. I agree with Snowflake that because OHS is such a racially diverse environment that you don't see kids always sitting with others based on their racial background. Most of the time it has to do with the friends they have had and the social groups they hang out with. I also agree with Jessica that we tend to sit with people who may be similar to ourselves in appearance, but it can also be because of interest we share like athletics or extracurriculars. For this reason I do think the article applies to OHS because we all tend to sit where we feel most comfortable however, it is not entirely based on our race.
I can understand the point that Tatum is making about the gravitation of students to their most similar and understanding peers. However, I do not think Orange is the best example of this theory in that people are not sitting with each other based on race but instead as a result of past experiences considering everyone has known each other for so long. Very few, if any, kids have no friends to sit with and, if in fact they have "no table", it has nothing to do with racism, or unfriendly behavior on the part of other students at an open and accepting school like Orange and instead it must be their own lack of sociability. I like to think that the seating arrangement in our commons is a result of whom we enjoy being around the most regardless of race or ethnicity or the ability to relate to struggles.
I do agree with Beverly Daniel Tatum. I think that people do look for poeple to comfort them. So why not have that person be someone that you believe is most similar to you. In some cases this article is like this at our school. Personally though, I do sit at a fairly diverse table. In our commons there are not many isolated students. I feel that it is fairly rare to see that. I think that the seating pattern in our commons is just a large reflection of the social group that students are in.
I definitely agree with Beverly Tatum when she talks about how as we get older we start to segregate more and more because we are maturing, and racial identity is a large part of maturity. I disagree with Pago when they say that the lunch tables are not segregated in the lunch room. For the most part, white people sit with white people, and black people sit with black people. There are exceptions to this, as there always are, but for the most part this sad fact is true. I think that black and whites could sit together at lunch, but they are more comfortable as is. I think that most kids do have a lunch table to sit at. Also, I do think that this article applies to OHS because a lot of the time white people say ignorant and partially offensive comments to black people out of sheer ignorance. Much like the teacher of the girl in the article. This happens every day at Orange, most of the time without malicious intent. The seating pattern in OHS relates to our identity because it shows that we can identify our identity and seat ourselves where we feel most comfortable, knowing our identity
I agree with Beverly Daniel Tatum. I agree with her idea that kids think as society thinks. As society stereotypes on certain races kids start to accept them and believe them. Some may also backlash against how society thinks of them which leads to people searching for support from their own race. I agree with Riley and Snowflake, I think kids sit at tables with peers who has similar interests. So I do not think the article applies to Orange High School because we have many diverse tables. The seating pattern in our commons relates to our identity by showing how diverse our school is.
I'd have to say that I really agree with Beverly Tatum. Her points were spot on. The main take away that i got was that people look for others that relate to them regardless of their race. Looking at OHS it's pretty clear that the lunch room is split a little bit but OVERALL most of the tables are diverse with the occasional all black all white table. There definitely no isolated kids, if anything tall tables are overcrowded. This article relates to Orange High School 100% going to a party or a sleep over the main friends i had in elementary (mostly white kids) are now mostly black; while the white ones are mostly acquaintances. My table (like what Johnnny said) relates to my identity because i sit at a very mixed table, i consider myself a very friendly person and sitting with different people is something I like to do.
I agree with Beverly Tatum because she has identified a true occurrence that is happening in our school as well as many others. In our Commons there is a noticeable amount of segregation. I'd even go as far as to say the the amount of segregation at the majority of lunch tables overshadows the tables that hold members of multiple races. the seating pattern shows that students want to sit with people who can relate to them. The biggest factor is race, but there are other factors such as what classes you take or what sports you play. I agree with Peggy that groups have already been established in most cases and that this may also lead to the segregation at the lunch tables.
I agree with CLEVELANDSTEAM. It seems like most tables that are segregated by race is because the people of that race feel more comfortable around the same type of people. This does not necessarily mean that the different races have anything against each other or dislike each other, but that they would rather sit with people they connect to more. However, if someone of a different race were to sit at the "White" table, I do feel like they would be accepted. Therefore, I also agree with Fausto that they would be able to sit with different races but it may be more awkward for them and they may not be as involved in the conversations taking place at the table. Yeehaw
In agreement with Rainbow_fairy, I think that Beverly Tatum's argument holds true at Orange. Although there are a few mixed tables, but upon looking into our cafeteria for just a second they would be the last thing noticed after all of the segregated tables. There are very few people sitting alone, it seems that everyone at Orange does their best to be inclusive, which I think is nice. The reasoning for people dividing themselves to sit with people of their own race is because they can identify with them more. Whether people notice it or are willing to admit it, your race more or less shapes who you are and creates a bond among those of the same race.
"Why Do All The Black Kids Sit Together In The Cafeteria?" The reason why the black kids sit together is because they do not feel comfortable around the other race just like Dale Doback said. As for me my table is more mixed than segregated because I've socialize with the other race. You have some black kids who would rather sit with there own kind and would not like to expand their friendships with the other race.
I agree with Beverly Daniel Tatum that there is racial grouping that develops throughout your years in school. As a child you are oblivious to the racism that society has around you and as you grow not only do you recognize this racism, but you are looked at in a more stereotypical manner. I agree with Billie Jean that as we grow up we affiliate with our race much more. The tables at OHS are pretty segregated though there are a few diverse tables. This is most likely because they sit with the people that they can relate to. So whether the person feels like they can relate to the person at their table either by race or something else like they both play soccer, kids are most likely to sit with people they have something in common with.
"Why Do All The Black Kids Sit Together In The Cafeteria?" I somewhat agree with Ichiefgreengrowingtrees because it is true that some black kids would rather sit with there own race but its also the fact that they have been friends with them so long and it just so happends that all there friends are black. But just because they sit with all black people doesnt really mean that they dont really like other races. But I also agree with what beverly tatum said.
I agree with Tatum because pretty much all of the black kids sit together, as well as every other race for that matter, everyone is divided up into sections here at OHS, but in my opinion its not so much that people are saying contiously that their not going to sit other people of another race but it's just something people do because alot of the people here are within their own group and some white People may not want to sit w blacks & visversa which is the reason why the first person someone see of their race they choose to sit with them. But this definitly a factor in Orange High School.
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I agree with many of the points that Beverly Daniel Tatum made in her article, and there were some that I also disagree with. First, I disagree that the reason why black kids sit together and white kids sit together and other groups of people sit together is based off of racism. I believe that it is more so a level of comfort than the fear of being discriminated against while at lunch. Secondly, in the article, Tatum mentions a black girl in a mostly white school who can't find a boyfriend although her white friends can. I don't necessarily think that you can say it's because she is black, I think that there could be other factors contributing to this. Next, I agree with what Tatum said about her son. I think that he will endure those stereotypes throughout his teen years and his life, even though he doesn't have to deal with it now. Next, in the OHS commons, there are groups of white kids, black kids, Asian kids, and some tables of white and black kids, and white and Asian kids. Mainly though, it's split up by race. It doesn't seem like the Asian kids separate themselves though. First of all, I think that the kids in the commons sit with their friends. I think that a lot of the time people choose their friends based on stuff they have in common and things they can relate to. I think it's easier to relate to someone of your own ethnicity than someone of a different one, and that is why I think people sit where they sit; with their friends. There are some isolated kids, not to many though. I think the main reason for this is that their friends have a separate lunch and they aren't comfortable sitting with anyone in their lunch. In extreme cases, this person may not have many friends. I think this applies to orange and this relates to our identity because people sit with people who have identities similar to each other.
I agree with Tatum that there is a lot of segregation in our schools. The African Americans seem to relate more with eachother than with people of other races. Even in school like OHS, the African Americans tend to sit together. Most people have a select group in which they can sit and eat lunch with, so there are usually no "no table" people. I believe her article applies to all schools, including OHS. I agree with Frank that people will always sit where they relate to the most amount of people. This could be with their race or just with people who share their interests.
I agree with what Pago says about the article relating to the OHS commons. Pago says that the OHS commons is seated mostly off of friends and past experiences but not off of racist thought. I also agree with what he/she says about someone sitting alone; it's not because of racism or mistreatment by other students, but it's because of their own sociability.
I agree with many of the points that Beverly Daniel Tatum made in her article, but on the other hand there were points that I disagreed with. I don't think that in the cafeteria its a racial discrimination towards any one race. In my opinion people tend to gravitate toward people they have more in common with. At our school yes the "blacks sit with the black" and the "whites sit with white",but its by choice. By me being an African American if I was to walk up to a mostly white table I don't think that I would be turned away. I way get a few looks but for the most part I think that I would be welcomed.
I agree with Beverly Daniel Tatum on many of her points she brought out in the article, but then again there were points that i did not agree with. Here at OHS I dont see racial discrimination towards anyone really. As a black student If i were to walk up to any table, white, black, asian, muslism.. etc. I would not be turned away or looked at wrong. Yes, I just believe that students just sit who with they thinks a winner, or comfortable. Just as Bonita stated.
I agree with many of the points that Beverly Daniel Tatum states in her article. Looking around the OHS commons during lunch, I can notice that many of the tables are homogenous within the races of the students that sit there. I agree with Sasha in that people tend to sit with people that make them comfortable. I do not think that there are isolated races with people that have "no table". The tables are not arranged on purpose, but rather by that people are accustomed to being around their own races.
I agree with Tatum when she talks about lunch rooms being mainly segregated, although from my experience this is only half true. At OHS there are many different types of people that sit together. First off, most kids sit with their grade. Than there is sports and different interest tables. But for some reason there are always some tables that only black people sit at. Personally, I sit with both white and black people. I think these people sit where they do for reasons like: background, interests, sports/activities, and culture. I dont think that her article applies directly to OHS but in some parts it can, for example the complete black and white segregation of certain tables. I think that this pattern relates to our identity because the people that we are friends with and are associated with affect who you are and you affect who they are as well. I agree with Taylor Swift when he/she said that people sit with certain people of their race because it is easier to identify themselves.
I disagree with Daffodil, in OHS there are many tables with different ethnic groups. In response to Beverly Tatum, the African-Americans sit together by personal choice.
I completely agree with what Sasha was saying. Yes the cafeteria is dived racially but it doesn't all come down to to race. People sit with who they can relate to, people that are experiencing the same things that they are experiencing. I liked what Sasha said about how certain races can what they want to say with the people that are the same race as them. For example African Americans can say the N word around other African Americans. When I look around Orange High School I see black tables, white, tables but I also see very mixed tables, so that leads me to believe that race is that the root of lunch room separation.
I do agree with Beverly Daniel Tatum. In the OHS commons during lunch people do seem to tend to sit with people of their own race. However, many of the tables do have mixed races. The article does slightly apply to Orange High school as well. All high schools that have many people of many races will most likely have situations like his. In the commons it appears that people sit with people who are most similar to them, or at least people they can relate to or fit in with. I agree with what Blue Dream said, people do sit with people they can relate to. And sometimes people of different races can't relate to each other very well.
I do agree with Beverly Tatum. Depending on the table in the commons there are some tables where it is just kids of their own race. But there are also many tables with a mix of students. I think in some situations the article does apply to Orange High School. I think the seating pattern in the commons relates to our identity in the fact that it shows that we can all relate to each other no matter what our race is.
I agree with Tatum that many people are more comfortable in groups of people that are apart od the same racial group as they are. Many times, hanging out with people that are eifferent from you can be frowned upon. I also agree with what Tatum says about the ages at which this separation occurs. When kids are younger and are attending an interacial school, the separation is more about gender than about race. As people grow older, they begin to realize who they are and forming their identity. As a young teen, a personal encounter with racism can cause that person to separate themselves from people that are unlike themselves.
I completely agree with Beverly Daniel Tatum. If you look around OHS you will see almost the samething. Some tables are integrated with most cultures, while others are simply one or two races. I believe they sit where they do because the feel more comfortable, and maybe just prefer things that way. There arent really isolated kids in my opinion, I think for the most part everybody has somewhere to sit whether that want to sit there or not. To a certain extent I do feel the article applies to our school but, again thats just my opinion. The seating pattern in the common just shows like who really knows their identity, and those who are still unsure of their identity.
I agree with Tatum. I think people sit where they feel most comfortable, although it sometimes may be my race, I feel its more who they hang around, and spend time with. I dont think they are isolated, because just as much "black tables" there are "white tables" or others. I ageee with what Megan says about us being able to relate to eachother no matter what our race is. I totally agree with that statement
I agree with Tatum that people feel more comfortable amongst their on race. When I look around the OHS commons I see that this applies here. I see tables with only Asians, only African-Americans, and only whites. I agree with Willy Bob that everyone has somewhere to sit and no one is really an outcast and left alone.
I agree with Tatum. If you look around in the lunch room you see people segregated, some tables are all black, some tables are all white, and some tables are mixed but you mostly see tables of just one color. I think that people set with who there comfortable with and if they happen to be comfortable with sitting at an all back table or an all white table then no one is stopping them.
I also agree with jay.Aaron.
I agree with Tatum that in most cafeterias, the majority of people naturally sit with their race. Although there are many mixed raced tables at our school there definitely are some tables that are exclusively one race. I'm not sure if they do this intentionally or if its just habit. I agree with many of people above that said that it can be easier to relate to your own race, but its possible for all of us to relate in some way. I also think that our school is unique in the fact that Orange is very diverse. The lunch room has a wide representation of races and social groups. Some people do use their race as a major part of their identity, and it seems to be most common for African-Americans, but other things such as out of school activities and sports teams give students a group to sit with in the commons. Sometimes I think that it is merely coincidence where people sit.
I agree with Beverly Daniel Tatum, but I don't think everything she mentioned nessicarily applies to OHS. Our school is so diverse and although there are some racially exclusive tables in the commons, I think some of that can be attributed to things like common interests. Like Veronica Corningstone said some kids choose to sit together because they are on the same sports team or in the same club, for example. I also agree that some of it can be attributed to coinsidence. On the other hand there are some people who choose to stay in their comfort zone and sit with somebody with a similar background. Moreover I think people tend to ignore kids who sit by themselves.
I agree with Beverly Daniel Tatum, but I don't think everything she mentioned nessicarily applies to OHS. Our school is so diverse and although there are some racially exclusive tables in the commons, I think some of that can be attributed to things like common interests. Like Veronica Corningstone said some kids choose to sit together because they are on the same sports team or in the same club, for example. I also agree that some of it can be attributed to coinsidence. On the other hand there are some people who choose to stay in their comfort zone and sit with somebody with a similar background. Moreover I think people tend to ignore kids who sit by themselves.
After reading the article, “Why Do All the Black Kids Sit Together in the Cafeteria?” I found myself agreeing with what Beverly Daniel Tatum had to say. The sad fact is that in our society we are not as accepting as we would like to hope. We find ourselves encountering stereotypes everyday whether we are making them or receiving them. This in turn can determine who we feel comfortable with and who we choose to be around. In Orange especially, unless you have grown up with kids unlike yourself, you tend to find students who not only have the same interests as you, but look like you as well. However, for kids who may not put themselves into a category or do not “fit in” they can most likely find themselves, they will unfortunately be sitting by themselves or forced to skip lunch. I would love not to be a bystander, but that always takes someone out of there comfort zone. This whole concept of including everyone is a great idea but with all the judgment in OHS, much less the world, this dream can be considered almost impossible.
i completely agree. i feel like people dont do it on purpose, they just sit with their friends and they sit in a place they are most comfortable. I feel like white people can be themselves around eachother and people are most comfortable around people of the same race. This is not the case for myself, because i will sit with anybody if i knew them and was friends with them.
i agree with tatum for the most part. i think that people sit in their respective seats based on a scale of comfortability. if sombody feels more comfortable sitting with people of a different race then they will do so, but the overwhelming majority of people feel comfortable with their own race. the thing is however i believe sports teams tend to sit together as well as social groups of friends and associates. the problem, then , i believe, lies at the root of where we classify ourselves outside of the lunchroom. the lunchroom merely reflects the outside world.
I agree with Beverly Daniel Tatum on many of her points she brought out in the article, but there was also points that i did not agree with. At school I dont see racial discrimination towards anyone really. As a black student if I were to walk up to any table, white, black, asian, muslism.. etc. I would not be turned away or looked at wrong. Yes, I just believe that students just sit who with they thinks are cool, or comfortable. Just as Bonita stated.
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