Watch The Lunch Date
In your journals, respond to this prompt: “What message or messages do you think the filmmaker (Adam Davidson) was trying to express in this short film?” 4-6 sentences.
Homework:
Read the article by Dr. Beverly Tatum Why Do All The Black Kids Sit Together in the Cafeteria?
After thoughtfully reading this piece, respond in detailed complete sentences your thoughts on the article. 4 to 6 sentences minimum. Some discussion question to consider:
Do you agree or disagree with Beverly Daniel Tatum?
Do you think this self-segregation is a problem we should try to fix, or a coping strategy we should support?
How can we get past our reluctance to talk about racial issues to even discuss it?
Take a look at the OHS commons during lunch. Where and why do they sit where they do?
Read all the previous comments and make sure you reply to at least one other student's comments!!
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| Dr. Beverly Tatum |
59 comments:
I agree with the author on this topic because looking at the OHS commons during lunch, there is a big separation between the black kids and the white kids. This is because black kids tend to be friends with black kids and white kids tend to be friends with white kids. The author states a true fact that during elementary school, kids of different races are sitting together and then that changes during middle school and high school. I think that kids decide who they are friends with and as long as they are happy with who they are friends with and who they sit with at lunch, that's all that matters. I think it would be great if kids were more integrated at lunch, but you can't force people to be friends with each other.
Although Orange tends to be very accepting and tolerant, there definitely is segregation in the commons. Today at lunch I noticed that a majority of black students sit together near the front of the lunch room, while the white students congregate near the doors. I think that this is because the black kids at Orange tend to be more likely to buy lunch (I am not sure why this is) so they sit near the food. I agree with Dr. Tatum's justification that blacks sit together at lunch because they feel supported by each others' experiences in racial development. When it comes to this issue, I agree with 78snow's argument that "as long as they are happy with who they are friends with and who they sit with at lunch, that's all that matters". Integration will come in time as our society continues to grow more tolerant.
I agree with Tatum and the ideas that she shares in the article. As both 3manolo and 78snow said, the OHS lunchroom is segregated yet everyone is happy with who they are friends with. However, none of the things that Tatum says contribute to this self-segregation are glaringly obvious but rather subtle things. This is something that our society needs to address by becoming more tolerant. I feel that this with take time and, like 3manolo said, it will take time and growth for out society to become more tolerant to prevent the self-segregation from occurring.
Entering the school cafeteria you will definitely notice the cafeteria is mostly segregate just like 3Manolo and 78llama said. I do not agree with the author that blacks sit together at lunch because they feel supported by each others' experiences in racial development. I instead believe that blacks, and any teen in general, sits with who their friends are. And most teens identify with people that are most similar to them.
I have the tendency to agree with the author on some of what she has to say. While looking at the OHS lunch room it all becomes very clear who is friends with whom. This is because people tend to sit with people they have things in common with, and though we do not tend to think about it that often race is apart of that. As a culture I do not think we should allow race to define who we are. If we do that we are regressing as a society. I agree with Beethoven7/8 that blacks sit together at lunch because they are supported by each others racial development. Thats like saying all the poor kids sit together because they can talk about how being poor sucks and how they got over it.
I agree with the author on this subject. I agree with 78snow when they say that our lunch room is pretty split up. In my lunch you see whites sitting at tables together, and then you see blacks sitting at tables together. There are a few mixed but not many. I don't feel that it is because we have anything against each other for being different races, I think we all just tend to sit with who we have the most in common with and who are friends are. I do also agree with Dr. Tatum when she says that blacks sit together at lunch because they feel supported by each others' experiences in racial development. I think both of these things make a definite impact on why the lunchrooms are so split. I also agree with 78snow when they say it would be great to see our lunch room more integrated. I think it wold be great to see that change, and I think once our society becomes a little more accepting, progress will happen.
I agree with the author on most points one this subject just like lukevanjamaramakatzIII which is a very annoying name to type. And also like lukevanjamaramakatz IIIm I also agree with Dr. Tatum when she says that blacks sit together at lunch because they feel supported by each others' experiences in racial development. I connected with snow 78 the most when they talk about our school and how it is segregated in the commons but also the fact that it isnt because each race doesn't like each other but rather because we are more comfortable around people that are similar to our selves. I think it started in grade school whenever we were nervous we would find comfort in people similar to us and as a friendship was formed there was little incentive to expand to different groups of people. In the commons currently , I don't think there is intentional segregation by section of the commons but many tables are segregated. There are always exceptions to this and I think OHS is one of the most diverse and accepting schools I can think of. We can always improve our integration but we should be proud of our school when compared to other schools in the area.
I do not agree with the article at app, and I find it to be judgemental and incompetent. I feel thisbway because the way I choose my lunch table is through my associations with those people. I don't sit with all.of the sake race, I sit with eoplebi have common interest with, such as sports, hobbies, or other things of that sort. Many African Americans sit with each other because many are involved in sports and have a prior history eight that person, just as an example. In all reality, I could sit at whatever table whenever I wanted to because I'm that kind of likeable person, my decision is never based on the color of my skin. I can almost disagree with everyone that has wrote prior to me, because people on see what they want to see. If you really look into the cafeteria, you will see just as many unsegregated tables as segregated tables. Open your eyes Orange Highschoolers.
The community we live in is home to many different races of people, yet there is still a lot of segregation. But I have come to believe that a lot of this segregation is by our own fault. I don't think that Orange is a place where the whites don't want to sit with the blacks. I think it is more that the blacks are more comfortable with the blacks, so thats where they sit. I do agree with Dr. Tatum when she says that blacks sit together because they feel support, but at the same time I think that it is because thats what they want to do. If they wanted to sit with the white kids, they could easy do it and there would be no problems.
Orange is a very racially and culturally diverse school. This being said, there does seem to be a bit of racial segregation in the commons during lunch but it is not total segregation. I often see tables of not only blacks and not only whites, but tables consisting of mixed races. I agree with Dr. Tatum that students sit with other students of the same race or skin color because they feel 'safer' and a bit more supported. I believe students at Orange High School sit with who whom they want to at lunch, regardless of race. I do not believe that this self-segregation is a problem that needs fixing because it does not seem to negatively effect our society and school environment.
As 3manolo said, Orange is very accepting and there are not many segregation issues at least from what I experience, but different races do sit with each other in the commons. It's not because they are black or because kids are white, it's based on who you are friends with. As many tables that are pure white or black, there are tables with mixed races. I think self-segregation is a coping strategy we should not support, but I don't think it's a problem. As a teenager growing up its just a coping mechanism that doesn't have much impact on the future. However, I hated the article because it really beat around the bush. It didn't provide any details that stood out to me and persuaded me to feel that it's an issue of any sort. We just identify ourselves with our friends and we are comfortable with that.
Also agreeing with 3manolo, as well as ironman78, Orange is accepting and understanding when it comes to segregation issues and I have never encountered any on a personal level. However, stepping into Oranges lunch room would prove otherwise because different races do tend to migrate towards each other. I don't necessarily think that this happens because the kids at orange feel forced to do so and feel unaccepted, but I feel that they just sit with their friends and there do exist tables that have mixed students sitting together. I do agree with Dr.Tatum in the fact that students may feel more comfortable sitting with those of the same race because they may be more understanding of each other but I don't believe that they should have to feel forced. The students choose to sit with their friends and it's just a decision that they decide to make not based on race, but based on friendship. I don't believe that this self-segregation is a problem that we need to work really hard to fix because we haven't experienced any problems with this situation in our school environment. As SurfsUp9 said, it does not seem to negatively effect our society and school environment and I agree 100%.
Well I would like to say that i agree with Beverley Tatum. I personally think that supporting this idea wouldn't be bad. Why? Because you can't really tell a child or even a teenager who they can't sit with. Its probably going to make this situation worse or bad. I also feel that i can honestly talk about these racial issues. But for others I would say take it slow and talk to your parents first and go from there. As I was sitting at my diverse lunch table I saw two other ethnic groups sitting amongst us. I believe that they sit together just because they are friends nothing more nothing less . I would like to agree with beethoven7/8
I agree and disagree with this article. I agree the most with 78snow because they said "as long as they are happy with who they are friends with and who they sit with at lunch, that's all that matters. I think it would be great if kids were more integrated at lunch, but you can't force people to be friends with each other." I think it would good for the kids at Orange to be more integrated at lunch but honestly it's kind of awkward when a black kid goes to sit with a whole group of white kids. Sad, but true. The divide at all schools and in the world is very relevant but because I spend so much time at Orange I notice it even more. The divide is real, noticeable and a lot of times it starts drama. And with the middle school thing, that is true. I was very social in middle school but as I grew up and was around more and more people, my tolerance for lots of people decreased and I was more drawn to a certain group and stayed with that group of people.
As others have said Orange does have a very diverse student body, although there seems to be a bit of racial segregation in the commons. I disagree with Tatum as I feel that our generation doesn’t have as much racial prejudice that some of the older generations may have and the ease that younger kids cross racial boundaries is still present. Sure blacks may sit together to get support from one another but that doesn’t mean they support each other because there the same race but most likely because they are friends and that’s what good friends do. The same is also true for whites; they get support from each other not because they have the same skin color but because their friends and friends support each other. In the OHS commons people sit with their friends or people that are similar to themselves like 78snow and 3manolo said it would be nice to see a little more tables that are mixed but everyone is happy with their friends. Time will change people’s tolerance to the self-segregation that will be fixed on its own if we follow the same change in mindset that has been going on.
I agree with 78snow when they said, regarding to the students at Orange, black kids tend to be friends with black kids and white kids tend to be friends with white kids. There are many tables that do have both though. I do not think this happens because of self-segregation. I think students just sit where their friends are sitting. These friends could have been made through a sport, for example, which if the sport was basketball this would cause a lot of black kids to be friends with black kids since the team is mostly black students. I do not think this is a problem. I believe students can sit where ever and with who ever they want. I disagree with the author and I don't think this is a problem, at least at our school.
I agree with 78snow when they said, regarding to the students at Orange, black kids tend to be friends with black kids and white kids tend to be friends with white kids. There are many tables that do have both though. I do not think this happens because of self-segregation. I think students just sit where their friends are sitting. These friends could have been made through a sport, for example, which if the sport was basketball this would cause a lot of black kids to be friends with black kids since the team is mostly black students. I do not think this is a problem. I believe students can sit where ever and with who ever they want. I disagree with the author and I don't think this is a problem, at least at our school.
I completely disagree with Tatum. She's only speaking from one perspective. For instance, during adolescence, several interracial friend groups become distant because of what they hear. Many times, their parents have negative things to say about other racial groups which influences the child's opinion of that particular race. Media does this as well. Tatum however makes it seem as though black teenagers are insecure. Also, I can name several culturally diverse schools where race does not matter and students sit wherever they please. Places like Shaker and Cleveland Heights are culturally diverse. There are interracial couples and diverse neighborhoods. However, the situation that Tatum discusses only portrays the instance of a school where there are few African American students. Also, just as Tatum asks why black kids sit together, she could ask why the white kids don't sit with the black kids. I think whatever Tatum is saying is complete nonsense and she's giving uneducated and narrow-minded people false information.
I disagree with the article because black students aren't forced to sit alone, they aren't forced to not take honors course, like any race you chose what you want to do base on how much effort you are willing to put into that class. Anyone race or gender tend to group together by common traits, that is why we see many more mixed couples nowadays. So no self-segregation among black students isn't s problem, they don't "sit alone" anymore because they are as equal as any other person in the world, and like any other person they chose what the want to do, and how they do it. We can get past our reluctance to talk about racial issues by not sugar coding the problem. If you have a complaint or concern do not hide it bring it out to the open, so later problems can be avoided. This will only happen though when people learn there first amendment aka freedom of speech. Here at orange it's mixed, but also there are tables of all black, all white, just a table for smart kids, and those who are lesser academic. I find no problem with how our lunch is.
I find this article very interesting and I agree with many points the author makes but I believe there are many other things that contribute to why certain people sit with each other. I agree with the author and lukevanjamaramakatz11 when the author says that black people sit together because they feel supported by each others experiences in racial development. I believe growing up in a world where you're a minority can bring people together but I don't think this just applies to black people. Why isn't the title of this book "Why are all the jewish kids sitting together in the cafeteria?" because I believe that applies as well. Or "Why do all the freshman sit together?" I think the answer is these people have things in common. They share a common past or grade or experience which bonds them together as friends. I know looking around the cafeteria the thing that's easiest to notice is the separation by color but that's just at first glance. If you look deeper there are many other things that go into why people decide to sit with each other.
I agree with 9pineapple because that's how I look at things, you sit with who you friends are due to what they said, if you good in school regardless of race you sit with others who share your qualities, or on the other hand if you're good with sport you sit with others who share your talents. Not everything people do is base on what race you are, it's based on who you get along with.
From my own observations in Orange High School, I feel as though our human body is very accepting and diverse of various ethnicities and backgrounds of our peers. However, when stepping into the lunchroom, I would strongly agree with 78snow that our student body appears to be very much separated into our own cliques. Oftentimes, many students affiliated with sports or certain clubs migrate towards each other during lunch for that specific season in which the sport takes place. However, the majority of the time, much of OHS sits with their own race. Although our society is progressing socially, I feel as though a common connection of race will still be evident among people. It would be amazing if people could resort back to "elementary friendships and relationships" with each other again and avoid the hurtful emotional damage that may accompany such actions of separation today.
I do not agree with Tatum on the issue of self-segregation. It may be true that when first looking at the tables in the commons someone may see them as segregated, but upon closer inspection anyone can see that many of the tables do include people of many different races. Just like 9Seabyte said, people sit with each other because they are friends even if it they are similar or different races. Sports, hobbies, classes, and a ton of other things contribute to who is friends with who in this diverse school. I do not think that we need to address self-segregation as a problem because separating those who are friends only makes the students unhappy since there is a reason they are friends with certain people. Also personally I do not find that it should be so difficult to discuss race with others as I do it among my group of friends whenever the subject arises and there are never any offended people afterwards.
As 78Snow said, different races do tend to gather together during lunch. But this article goes far deeper than just the cafeteria setting. It basically acts as a metaphor for racial acceptance, or the lack thereof, in general. While I do agree with some of Tatum's views, I don't agree with this statement: "...but their white peers - even if not racist - are unprepared to respond in supportive ways." It implies that most white people do not comprehend the severity of racism, especially when another race is the target. Which is completely false. The author is also extremely biased being African-American and makes it seem as if black people are the only target of racism. When in reality, all races are culprits and all races are victims,
I agree with 78snow. People tend to sit with who they are friends with, not reguarding race. Looking around the commons at our school many people sit with poeple of their own race. There are also many people who sit at mixed race tables. I think it all just depends on who you have things in common with.
While I do agree with 3MindFang and several others on the fact that people choose seating based on similar interests and friendship rather than race, it still begs the question as to why blacks and whites are so segregated today. Even in classrooms, blacks are usually in one group and whites are at another side of the room. Personally, this issue goes farther than the lunch room. I remember speaking with a girl I know who goes to another school. She is biracial and she was talking about how hard it was to be with her friends because the school where she was at was segregated in terms of cliques and lunch rooms, even though it was known for being very diverse. At one time she was with a group of her black friends and at another time she was with a group of her white friends. I am not sure that the true answer is 100% about self-conciousness. I think it may be identity and following what the media portrays is suitable to society. I remember in 6th grade things began to look more segregated. Most of the African-Americans would be in one group outside separate from the Caucasians. I always wondered why that was the case. I also sensed that I was known to be a sellout because I did not know very many African-Americans very well. Eventually, they all stopped talking to me and I thought and still think that it's my fault that I did something, even though I do not ever remember making a conscious decision not to be with African-Americans. I believe the issue is not only with identity within one race, but also the perception of other races. Since 5th grade, we have all been on different academic tracks. What I have heard to have happen is that people who move to Orange from other schools that have lower academic standing tend to struggle more and there is very little to no help available. As a result, these students fall behind, and since many of them tend to be African American, they may begin to believe that the system is failing them or that the teachers are not treating them respectfully because of their race, is often times at least somewhat true. How many African-Americans are in AP classes? There are barely any. Why is this? I believe that there is a socioeconomic and educational gap in our school and that there is little to no assistance to help these students and when they have been at this school for over a year with little to no assistance, it is too late. As a result, these students congregate with others with similar situations, and since they tend to be black, there is a subconscious segregation that occurs. This needs to be stopped. It lowers the expectations of African Americans as a people and fosters hatred among others.
I agree with what 78snow said that in general OHS students tend to sit with people of similar races at lunch. I think what Tatum said is somewhat true but I don't think that race is what all friendships are based off of. Many of my closest friends are a different race from me and I relate to them more than many people of my own race. SO while many people tend to make friends that are similar to them, it is just as easy to make friends of a different race. I feel like we have progressed more as a society and are less reluctant to discuss issues like race.
I agree with 78 snow in the aspect that most OHS students sit with people of the same race that they are. It is true that you can't force friends onto people, but there is some diversity. I feel like as we are growing up, for the most part we have become more accepting of one another. Most of my closest friends are completely different races than I am, but that doesn't change who they are as a person. I am friends with the people who are my friends, and don't solely judge them on what they look like. Sadly, I think a lot of people still do, which is a huge problem and needs to be addressed.
I agree with 78sander6 it's not a racial thing it's more like who u click with better I think our school learned to be open to current races. I don't agree with the article at all to me it's closed minded an made from very close minded opinions
I agree with 3flamingos1234. Not everything is based on race. Our school is diverse and accepting enough to say that most of the self-segregation is due to friendship. Some races may sit with each other because they find more things in common and are able to relate to each other better. This may be more of a cultural difference than a racial discrimination issue. Tatum has a very good point in why some races sit together, but in our school I don't believe this is a large issue. In addition to a few segregated tables, we also have many diverse lunch tables. It all depends on who you get along with and can relate to.
I agree with 9 bunny rabbit because to me, it isn't really about race in my opinion. It just happens to be who you click with the most and just seem to get along with and in this case, it's race. OHS is somewhat diverse but I think the self-segregation isn't because of race but just friendship that we seem to form ourselves not because of race. People still mix in with other races in the hallways so basically everyone is still friends with each other.
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After reading this article, there are some things I agree with and dont agree with (Beverly Daniel Tatum). The statistics she described really opened my eye to a lot of things, however it reminds me of my experiences at Brady Middle School. I do not believe self-segregation is a problem because I think it is all how you as an individual choose to handle things. Getting past our reluctance to talk about racial issues will take some time because most people feel if they share their inner true feelings, that someone will be hurt. I also agree with AV3, everything is not based on race. People segregate themselves based on money, likes and dislikes, and out of school activities. Growing up, I never really was close with a lot of other black kids because of the lifestyle my parents brought me up in. Now that I am a senior I have managed to mix myself in with many groups and different types of people, not even thinking about race. Most black kids at OHS sit with each other because they feel that is where they are wanted. When an argument happens, the while tables just laugh at all of it. It is rare to see black kids in the senior lounge in the cafeteria.
I disagree with 78snow because during lunch my table is filled with diffrent races. When I was growing up in middle school the lunch room was divided by white,black and asian. But know peop[le have grown pass that and now sitt with people based on there intrest. I'm friend with people that in the past I would have never talked to. Still though in the lunch room there are those groups that able to leave there comfert zone and talk to new peope
I agree with 78snow, that most kids at OHS sit at the lunch table with people of the same race as them. But i would like to say our school is also very diverse, and there are mixes of black and whites that sit at the lunch table. I also agree with Tatum, but don't think all friendships are solely based off race. I think sports are another big part of deciding weather you sit with someone or not. Last, kids cant be forced to sit with each other, but it would be much better if everyone was integrated.
I can connect with this article very well. Orange experiences the exact same type of segregation in the lunch room. All of the black kids sit at one table, and all of the white kids sit at another. I don't think we realize we are segregated, but in the back of our mind it's second nature (unfortunately). I believe that subconsciously, we still have the idea of segregation in the back of our minds which is a horrible thing. I believe that there is no reason for us to sit at different tables and we should try to integrate more.
I agree with most of the things that agent78 and 78sander6 said. In OHS you do see a lot of tables with people of the same race sitting at them. However such as 78sander6 said, it may not always be on purpose. It can be just because those are the people that all have something in common. I partly agree with the article because the self-segregation is evident at times however I always think it is on purpose and I dont think it is a very serious problem.
I agree with 78juice because although it may not be about being the same race that makes you want to sit together but rather it is decided based over comfort. People of the same race will tend to choose one another based on race because that is the most obvious determinant of an individual. Although over time you may not like this person's personality because they grew up in the suburbs and you grew up in the inner city. I agree with Dr. Beverly Tatum but I do believe that it would be beneficial for students to reach out to other cliques and groups so that we can learn the behaviors and norms of different cultures so that these can be more socially acceptable thus have the ability not to judge one another but acknowledge them as having different backgrounds and that is completely acceptable
I agree with Mrs.Tatum. I Think that in more affluent areas that it is harder for minorties to be on equal footing and i feel as if sometimes when people feel like the odds are against them. I feel as if people need to help themselves and stop the segregation that we see but to do that people need to get out what there comfortable with and thats hard to do for most people.Yes there are cliques in orange. I agree with cocoabutter for simple reasoning that to to get over judgements you must get to know them
Orange is a very diverse community, yet, despite this diversity, students do tend to self-segregate during the lunch hour. Of course there are some exceptions as 7/8juice said in which students of different races and backgrounds intermingle, but for the majority, we see tables that are uniform in race and/or ethnicity. I think it is both a problem and a natural coping mechanism. Race is a divisive issue, not only in our community, but in the world. We should be doing all we can to stem and actively prevent racism and diversifying is a proven solution. However, at the high school age, administrators cannot assign students to tables to force integration. Since the students, who in middle school sat with all different people, now sit in homogenous groups, there must be a reason for it. I believe, as Dr. Tatum stated, that it is natural and human instinct to want to fit in and to be part of an exclusive group. One wants to identify with others like them, and in this case, the unifying factor is skin color. Since this self-segregation makes students comfortable and is natural, per se, trying to "fix" this is a potentially perilous situation. Racial divisions also occur for reasons of socioeconomic or geographic status within the community and therefore it is not usually because the "other group" is racist or prejudiced, just that they happen to have more similarities with people of their skin tone. Thus, in conclusion, diversity is without a doubt a noble and exalted goal in today's global society, but it should not be forced.
I agree with 78snow in them saying "I think that kids decide who they are friends with and as long as they are happy with who they are friends with and who they sit with at lunch, that's all that matters". It doesn't matter who you sit because of race if they are your friend. I disagree with the author about certain races sitting together, because I personally sit with people of other races so that alone makes me disbelieve the author. I think that some of the black kids sit together because they are friends with each other, they might be neighbors or hang out together outside of school, not in gangs, but just together.
I don't think that there is anything to do with this, there isn't something we should try to fix. It isn't a problem, so why fix what isn't broken? Trying to make a coping strategy would just be like forcing people to sit with other people who aren't their friends. Not that they don't like each other, they just aren't friends.
T get past reluctance to discuss it, we just have to be honest about what we think and how we personally think it could change, if it needs to change.
I believe this article is very true in many ways. I agree that black people feel discriminated when people make comments regarding "their kind" and they need support, so they turn to other black people. At Orange, the black people and the white people are separated, but that is not because of race. I think it is a choice, and people tend to make decisions with their friends and it just so happens that all the black people are friends at our school so they all sit with each other by the cafeteria line. If black people were to sit closer to the doors then there would be no change because the people would still be sitting at the table with the same friends they were before. I agree with 3Manolo when he said that most of the black people tend to buy lunch, therefore they sit near the line. 78snow also had a very good point that as long as you are happy with who you sit with then it shouldn't matter if you are with all blacks or all whites or a mix. Personally, at lunch I sit with one black person, one Puerto Rican, and the rest are white. We are all happy with this and I feel that my table reflects on what the rest of the school thinks lunch is, fun. It doesn't matter what color your friends are as long as they make you happy. I agree with Dr. Beverly when she said that blacks think of themselves in terms of race because the rest of the world thinks of them like that. I feel like people make stereotypes because of what they observe, and sometimes it is not our fault that these stereotypes are true for most of the race.
I agree with 7/8snow and the author that there is definitly a natural segregation of the student body, but not just in the lunch room everywhere. Let's just think about it, when I walked into the Facing History and ourselves class for the first time, half of the room was filled with african american students, and the other half was filled with the white students. At first I thought I was the only one who noticed it but as i heard the comments of my peers I realized that everyone noticed it. Maybe it was just the comfortability factor that made the different individuals move together, or maybe its something deep rooted inside. For me its the comfortability factor, I just feel more comfortable when I with people that look like me. Not that I don't have any friends that don't necessarily look like me because I do , but I feel more "at home" with people that look like me.
I mostly agree with the author and 78snow on this article. When i look at the commons in OHS is it pretty segregated. In our school the black people tend to sit with other black people and white people sit with other white people. But their are one or two table that are pretty diverse, also this article is written a very long time ago and diversity and segregation is completely different now from back when this article was written.
i agree with 9roxy that black people do feel discriminated when people are making comments saying "there kind" or those black people over there, or what ever else term used against black people. I like how in the story it says how people sit with other people that they are friends with and who they feel more conferrable with. i feel like everyone is accepting of one and other but once we go to lunch its a whole different story, people sit with there own color or sit with there own ethnicity. Theres, also tables who have a mixture of backgrounds and still can accept it and feel a comfort there.
I completely agree with Dr. Beverly Tatum. At first glance in the commons you would see the separation. Yes, people do tend to be more comfortable with people who are more like them but what about people who are more like them personality wise? Not just physical appearance. People don't get the chance to give friends of other races a chance because you judge a book by its cover, everyone does. of races. Tatum states that during elementary school, kids of different races are sitting together and then that changes during middle school and high school. My idea is middle schoolers begin to watch older T.V. shows, read magazine and get in touch with the racist world we live in. We need to stop the madness some how and possibly from the start, at middle school.
3 Touchdown America says that their African American friends sit together because of sports and other activities and it just so happens they are all African American.. I do no agree and I think there are other reasons the lunch room is segregated.
As much as I don't want to, I completely agree with Dr. Tatum on this matter. As I walked into the commons today, I looked around and just shook my head because everything she said was true. All of the white kids sat with each other, all the blacks sat with each other, even the Asians. And as I am looking around, I found myself doing the same thing, sitting with all of my black friends from football. Also, I partially agree with 3Touchdown, because I sit with my friends from sports. On the contrary, I don't always do that. I sometimes just sit with friends that I am really close to that are most times black.
I agree with what the author says in terms of self-segregation. Self-segregation is a problem we need to fix and its not that hard of an issue to fix because we create it our selves. It's quite annoying because we create the issue. I have to also agree with lukevanjamaramakatzIII on the subject of our lunch room being 'split' however, the reason it's so is because people sit with their friends and in most cases friends are determined by race. I dont believe we are segregated in terms of lunch table, we just sit with the our friends.
I agree with some points but not all. Such as, stereotypes to describe people. When this happens it makes people feel a certain way and causes them to be insecure. When you feel insecure you tend to want to be by your friends the people that you feel the most comfortable. This shouldn't be a problem. We should be able to talk about race issues because we might come up with a solutions to our stereotype preferences . I sit with my group of friends at lunch because we relate and they understand me.
I agree with that others in that people who are similar to others tend to hang out with those people and I also agree with 78snow on this article. When I look around our school I think it is pretty cliquish. In our school, people who are similar hang out with those who are similar to themselves. There are a couple groups or cliques in our school that include many different races. I do believe this article was written a while back and diversity and segregation is completely different now compared to when this article was written.
I agree with what almost everyone else has said. In the commons, many of the tables are all white, or all black, however some of the tables do have some black and some white kids. I think this is because many of the kids at Orange who are new, usually come from a school whose majority is either black or white. When they come to Orange they would rather become friends with someone of their own race because they can relate to them more. However, this article is pretty outdated and segregation has changed a lot.
I havent been into the cafeteria at lunchtime in almost two years so I don't know how people tend to sit in our school. I know that I choose my friends based on how they make me feel, good about myself, happy, funny, it really doesn't matter what color their skin is. I think that this is or should be how most people choose friends, if they make you feel good about being, you then who are we to judge that. Who are we to judge people on where they sit in the cafeteria and why, thats straight out of a typical hollywood high school movie. Maybe it has something to with race maybe it doesn't, but aren't we being a little racist by judging them and writing books about it? I agree with 9thebrightside about the cliques at orange you don't have to go into the cafeteria to see that, they are in every class they sit together in every class, but if they're not hurting anyone, which I think self segregation is not, then let them be, it makes them happy.
I believe the author makes a good point. Taking my school as an example i see that there is a good deal of separation between races with all black and all white tables. This is not always the case though, as i tend to sit at a very mixed table. We have black, white, and even an asian kid. We all tend to get along well and seem to relate to one another. I would say that yes a good portion of the student body tends to racially separate themselves, although I and many other students do not find it hard to relate and get along with people from another race, in-fact most of my friends are not the same race as i am and we get along like brothers/sisters.
I think I disagree with what the author is saying. I looked around the lunch room after reading this article and giving it great thought and realized that at almost every table there is someone of a different race. It is small however but at my table for instance we have one white friend. And that is how it is at most tables whether it be a majority white table with a black person or the other way around there is usually always diversity.
I think it is natural for humans to desire what is familiar as opposed to what is foreign. I don't think black kids sit together because they don't like white kids, and I don't think white kids sit together because they don't like black kids. It less about the conscious thoughts of likes and dislikes and more about the subconscious desire to place ourselves in familiar situations. When I go home from school, I eat dinner with my all black family. I have been doing that my entire life. Thus, I don't think it means I'm bias against white people because I eat with all black people, I just think that suggests that that is what I am used to.
I agree with Beverly Tatum. Although I don't often have the chance to eat, or even go in the cafeteria, I can tell you from my past experiences in the lunch room that people do segregate themselves into their racial group. I don't think this is a problem that the school should try to fix. People will sit with whom they are friends with and associate themselves with. However, there are people who are friends with other races and embrace sitting with them. I don't really see this as a problem, nor do I think we should do anything about forcing people to sit with kids they are not friends with or people of different races. I think there is no racism from a person who sits with their own race compared to a person who sits with another race.
Here at orange the cafeteria is split apart. I think it is because people tend to sit with other people that share a common interest, not because of segregation. Yes I see black and white tables but their are also mixed with other races as well. Out of the other schools I have been to, here at orange their are no racial or segregation problems. Also we are growing up in a time period where their are not as much segregation as the author.
I completely agree with Dr. Beverly Tatum. At first glance in the commons you would see the separation. Yes, people do tend to be more comfortable with people who are more like them but what about people who are more like them personality wise? Not just physical appearance. People don't get the chance to give friends of other races a chance because you judge a book by its cover, everyone does. of races. Tatum states that during elementary school, kids of different races are sitting together and then that changes during middle school and high school. My idea is middle schoolers begin to watch older T.V. shows, read magazine and get in touch with the racist world we live in. We need to stop the madness some how and possibly from the start, at middle school.
I think the author Beverly Tatum makes a good point. I personally think that now whats done is done. I don't think we can fix it cause its built into folks, to be segregated naturally. I think black people sit together because we don't want to be the odd ball out in situations of them having one white friend out of all the white people sitting at the table. I don't think we should call it out as a problem because at the end of the day, people are gonna sent with whoever they want and like I said its built into people mentally. I sent with my friends who are all black like my self. I sit there because those are my friends. Never really looked at it in a racial way.
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